The Point: Real Hate in the Marketplace

Man, I hate this. For the Colson Center, I’m John Stonestreet with The Point.

The battles over so-called gay “marriage” and religious freedom continue in our nation’s courts. And there’s another and very ominous front we can’t ignore either: the marketplace.

Take Vanco, a company that processes payments and donations. They recently cut off the Ruth Institute from their services.

Why? Because, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, the Ruth Institute is a hate group. It’s a hate group because it seeks to end the breakdown of the family, supports the Christian vision of marriage between a man and a woman, and believes that biology determines sex and gender.

As disruptive as losing this service was, Ruth Institute president Jennifer Morse clarified that Vanco should have the right to practice business according to their convictions, and so should florists and photographers and bakers in the wedding business.

Exactly, and it’s critical that we support organizations like the Ruth Institute—not just with our donations, but with ingenuity and entrepreneurship, providing services that Christian businesses and non-profits may soon need to replace.

 

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  • Phoenix1977

    “The battles over so-called gay “marriage” and religious freedom continue in our nation’s courts. And there’s another and very ominous front we can’t ignore either: the marketplace.”
    It demonstrates that, even if (and that’s a very big “if”) the Supreme Court rules against LGBT rights in the case of Jack Phillips, there is still another possible way to make sure people like Jack Phillips, Baronelle Stutzman and the Kleins won’t be able to discriminate for much longer: economics.
    LGBTs and their supporters (and according to pretty much every survey those numbers are only growing) can call for boycots of their businesses. And with social media in our corner spreading the word for such a boycot is quite easy.
    Not to mention quite a few potential customers use online reviews to determine where to take their business. And online reviews can be easily manipulated. And there is little to nothing that can be done about it.
    So, in the end, the LGBT community will still win. It just might take a little while longer. But we have waited for the better part of 2000 years to get justice so what’s a few more years added to that?

    • Gina Dalfonzo

      If I ever woke up one morning and realized that the success of my cause depended on my lying about cake bakers on review websites, I believe I’d need to seriously rethink my cause.

      • Phoenix1977

        Like I said, with any means necessary. And it’s not like we have to feel guilty about it. After all, Christians have been telling lies about homosexuality for far longer now.

        • Gina Dalfonzo

          Well, if it’s okay, then why shouldn’t Christians do it?

          • Phoenix1977

            Aren’t you supposed to be the moral superior people?

          • Gina Dalfonzo

            Are we? You seem to spend most of your days here telling us we’re the morally INFERIOR people. 🙂

          • Phoenix1977

            “Supposed to be”. Never said you actually were 🙂

          • Steve

            Again Phoenix, as I have asked before, what is it the the LGBT activists want?
            Is the sexuality of LGBT individuals their defining characteristic? I would imagine most LGBT people are more concerned about who they than whom they prefer to have sex with. To characterize oneself by sexuality is to diminish the individual as a whole. I get the sense that LGBT activists are somehow lacking something in their lives that cause them to link so much of their humanness to their sexuality. I am heterosexual. I grant you that that is all that I know so I have not known discrimination that may occur due to being homosexual. However, I don’t make being heterosexual an overwhelming defining characteristic of me. If someone asks whom I am, I don’t say I am a heterosexual man. My point is that when we hang so much of our identity on one characteristic it artificially demeans us as an individual because we are choosing to diminish the other characteristics that make us fully human. There will never be full equality. A homosexual person will never be able to conceive a child naturally with another homosexual person. That right will never exist. That is not up to me or you or any human law. It is the law of nature, like it or not. In this age of everyone demanding to be equal perhaps it is necessary to step back and see that not everything is equal.

          • Phoenix1977

            “I don’t make being heterosexual an overwhelming defining characteristic of me. If someone asks whom I am, I don’t say I am a heterosexual man.”
            And that very statement is just as significant as the fact that you don’t realize that. As a heterosexual man you have absolutely no idea what challenges a gay man or woman faces every single moment of every single day. As a heterosexual man you never had to think of the risk you took loving the one you did while a gay man could get arrested for just that in 13 states in the US until 2003. And even today a gay man needs to be careful in order to keep his job in 18 states in the US where he can get fired for no other reason than being gay. Again something a heterosexual man never has to fear. The LGBT community never made our sexuality our most defining quality. People like you did. We simply decided to own the very thing you people tried to shame us about as a badge of honor.

            “A homosexual person will never be able to conceive a child naturally with another homosexual person.”
            First of all, I already told you the knowledge and technology to make such a conceiving possible exists. It is human law that bans it, for now, but that will pass.
            Second, not everyone wants children. I’m the first to admit I am too selfish to have children. I have no interest in giving up the things I love about my life in order to have a child. And the same goes for many others, including a lot of straight people.

            “In this age of everyone demanding to be equal perhaps it is necessary to step back and see that not everything is equal.”
            A statement only someone who never ever had to think about equality could make.

          • Tyler

            I would give that a hearty upvote. Here’s the difference I think: Christians (generally) are trying to hold to a certain code of moral principles, that being the defense of what we believe to be God’s created order in marriage. What we would all probably agree on is that lying is wrong. So now those who would oppose a Christian business person operating according to their convictions, has to themselves operate under two moral systems, one that says lying is okay, and one that says it’s not. I do feel for so-labeled LGBT’s (I don’t like large sweeping labels for people of vastly differing experiences, that’s why I say “so-labeled”), it has to be very tough and feel incredibly unfair to turned elsewhere based on something that isn’t a problem in your own worldview. However, I would respond this way: Phoenix, you’re correct, the polls are quickly shifting in your favor. Throw a dart at a map of businesses in your area, and you’re much much more likely to land on an affirming business than a non-affirming business, so let those who would hold differing principles operate as they wish and let the free market (not the false one based on phony reviews) determine if they sink or swim. If I walked into a Kosher deli inquiring about a ham sandwich, and was referred to a non-religious deli instead, I would happily head that direction.

        • Steve

          By any means necessary? Exactly what does that mean?
          What is the LGBT community doing in Muslim majority countries? How is the fight going there? Not well, I understand. But in countries where Sharia law is not in place and people’s rights to protest, etc are actually respected, the LGBT “community” is emboldened when there is little to no risk to their lives or well being. You see, if you boycott and lie about Christian businesses, Christians will still love you as being made in the image and likeness of God. That is why Christians are easy targets for “by any means necessary” warriors.
          If the LGBT community cares so much about their fellow LGBT individuals why are they not marching in mosques and having gay pride days in Saudi Arabia? That is where the true persecution is going on.
          The radical LGBT activists are very similar to feminists warriors; they talk a good game when it is easy but remain quiet when people are being persecuted in other countries.

          • Phoenix1977

            “If the LGBT community cares so much about their fellow LGBT individuals why are they not marching in mosques and having gay pride days in Saudi Arabia?”
            Because we have to start somewhere. And it’s best to have our own places in order first before taking the fight elsewhere.

            “That is where the true persecution is going on.”
            Define “true persecution”. For LGBTs in 18 states in the US, when facing the day-to-day possibility to lose their jobs because employers can fire gay men and women for no other reason than being gay, the persecution is just as real as for gay men and women in countries like Saudi Arabia, Iraq or Egypt. And of course you’d say otherwise, just as the whites in the 1950s and 1960s didn’t understand what the blacks were complaining about.

            “The radical LGBT activists are very similar to feminists warriors; they talk a good game when it is easy but remain quiet when people are being persecuted in other countries.”
            Perhaps you should watch some footage from last year’s Gay Pride in St. Petersburg, Russia. Quite a few people there were from other European countries, including 57 members of the EU Parliament and 13 from the Dutch Parliament, all gay.

        • jason taylor

          Those who say “with any means necessary”, claim not to have anything to feel guilty of, and justify it by things that happened centuries ago by definition have plenty of things to feel guilty of.

          • Phoenix1977

            I didn’t know I was centuries old. And trust me, I don’t do guilt.

    • Wayne Buckley

      If you look at the statistics of STDs, suicide, alcohol abuse, partner abuse, drug abuse, and so on, in the the LGBT community vs. the general population how can you think you are winning? Forget about being on “the right side of history” and try being on the right side of eternity.

  • disqus_k86nMKUXNB

    When God is with you, who can be against you? Job faced trials, but he held to his faith. Nothing can be done, unless God allows it. God allowed Job to be tested, but he brought him through it and blessed him for his faith. Christians have always been persecuted, since the dawn of Christianity. This is just another trial, but God has already won the war. His will will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven. Christians only need to hold to faith, act in faith, and trust in Him to see all of us through.

    Christians are not asking for special treatment. Christians are not demanding that others be denied any rights or freedoms. Christians are only asking for equal rights and equal treatment under the law. As for business, Christians want to be able to act in accordance with their beliefs, and want others to have that same right.